On Jul 21, 9:01 am, "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@lovesyou.org>
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> > On Jul 20, 4:32 pm, "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@lovesyou.org>
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> >> > On Jul 20, 9:30 am, "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@lovesyou.org>
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> >> >> > On Jul 18, 5:12 pm, "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@lovesyou.org>
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> >> >> >> "daveparks" <daveparks...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> > I didn't ask if a swift execution was more humane that throwing
> >> >> >> > her
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > a dumpster - I asked, if a swift execution was more humane that
> >> >> >> > forcibly confining someone in a small cell for 40yrs?
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> >> >> >> There is an easy answer to that, is there?
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> >> >> > So you are for capital punishment?
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> >> >> I meant to type, "there is *no* easy answer"
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> >> >> No, in general I am opposed to capital punishment. However, a swift
> >> >> execution is probably more "humane" than 40 years of torturous
> >> >> isolation.
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> >> > But if you're opposed to the DP 'and' consider sentencing the guilty
> >> > to a life of forced confinement in a small cell as inhumane, what do
> >> > you pose we do with someone like Atkins?
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> >> I stated that as a hypothetical situation. I don't think that Atkins'
> >> confinement or her sentence has been inhumane, especially after reviewing
> >> a
> >> history of her life in prison. She should remain in prison until her
> >> death.
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> > So you don't believe in capital punishment but are accepting of it so
> > long as it is swift - and you approve of life imprisonment, so long as
> > it doesn't consist of years of "torturous isolation", in which case
> > you're instead accepting of the swift execution?
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> That's accurate -- in a simplistic, literalist kind of way.
>
> > Way to stand by that
> > moral code of yours.
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> I don't believe I stated what my moral code was.
That hasn't stopped you from criticizing others who AFAICT have also
not stated their moral codes; but in order to avoid any wrongful
assumptions on my part, please do post your moral code as it pertains
to the discussion.
> I want to say that I
> believe in mercy. Morality is a complex and gray area once you start talking
> about real situations.
Well Atkins' case is the one of topic, and it is a very real
situation. Do you believe she warrants mercy?
> > It would seem that you're against what prison system is supposed to
> > represent, *punishment* of the guilty.
>
> You're putting words in my mouth, with absolutely no nuance. There are no
> easy, one-size-fits-all answers.
I understand, which is why I was careful to qualify my comment with
the verb 'seem' - and I'm just trying to understand your position,
which "seems" contradictory. Against the 'death penalty' and 'life
imprisonment' with caveats?
> Prison systems in the US have two aims, which tend to clash. It is supposed
> to be punishment, but it is also supposed to be, at least in theory,
> rehabilitative. Depending on the individual institutions, there are lots of
> opportunities for prisoners to get involved in positive activities. And
> there are lots of examples of that.
I disagree - IMO the prison system exists to punish and deter criminal
activity; there are plenty of other avenues available for the
rehabilitation (including lesser states of 'punishment/incarceration';
fines, parole, 2-3 strikes, city jails, county, state/Fed pens, etc.)
of those who are ultimately found guilty and imprisoned in this
country. Prison isn't IMO a place for rehab.
> Even so, I agree that Atkins should not
> ever be paroled, given the nature of her crimes.
I agree - but IMO the originally jury-imposed sentence of execution
should have been carried out decades ago. I give a rat's ass whether
she's rehabilitated, found Jesus, saved others, or cured cancer - what
she and the other sick animals did to their victims warranted IMO a
public execution.
At this point, quite honestly, unless you have something of real
interesting to add, I really feel Susan Atkins doesn't warrant any
more of my time or attention.
Thanks, NI.
