Subject: Re: OT - Some things, you never forget.....or forgive
Author: Nathan Sanders
Date: 19 Jul
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In article <37Wdne2G4bDtkh_VnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Newk Indofman" <newk.indofman@lovesyou.org> wrote:

> "Nathan Sanders" <nathansanders@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:nathansanders-E2B2A8.01061719072008@64.209.0-93.rev.gaoland.net...
> > In article <Ev2dnTQTHr0X9xzVnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "Newk Indofman" <newk.indofman@lovesyou.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Who gets to determine whose life has value and whose doesn't?
> >
> > In Susan Adkins's case, she made that determination all by herself.
> > By committing murder, she subtracted from the world, making a very
> > definitive statement about what she had to offer us.
> >
> > If she didn't want us to think her life had no value, she shouldn't
> > have demonstrated how little value she herself placed on life.
>
> How can you say that anyone's life has "no value"?

I'm not saying it, *she* said it, through her actions. By killing
people, she made the statement that *she* believes human life has no
value.

I'm just holding her to the same standards she used. Isn't that fair?

Heck, I'm even holding her to slightly higher standards. I haven't
yet explicitly advocated that she be repeatedly stabbed, only that she
shouldn't be given taxpayer-funded health care.

In fact, I'm just holding her to the same standards that we already
use for nearly everyone else in the country!

> Right now, you're using a single event

As Vandar pointed out, eight events. I'm not sure, but it doesn't
seem like killing Tate's baby legally counted as a murder. Given that
it was easily a viable fetus, I would count it, and call this nine
events.

How many events does it take before we learn that Susan Adkins doesn't
believe that human life has value?

> in Susan Adkins' life, pathetic as it
> is, to massage your own conscience and worth.

It has nothing to do with my own conscience or worth. I feel no
remorse for her killings, because I didn't commit them. I would feel
no remorse in not paying for her health care, because there are
millions of people in this country whose health care I don't pay for
either.

> I don't mean this as a
> personal attack, but perhaps a little more humility might be appropriate.

I don't see what my humility or lack thereof has to do with Adkins
killing people, or with me preferring that my taxes go to pay for the
health care of non-criminals before criminals.

> It's also telling how those who claim to be "pro-life" are usually the first
> to judge the worth of others' lives.

I am very pro-choice (up to the point where the fetus is viable).

Nathan


OT - Some things, you never forget.....or forgive
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